[Tf-aai] [eduGAIN-discuss]GÉANTTrust and Identity Meeting
Martin Matthiesen
martin.matthiesen at csc.fi
Wed Nov 8 17:40:08 CET 2017
Hello André,
One thing I would be curious about is how they see the upcoming GDPR and federated access. I have actually some hopes that it might make things like attribute release easier, since the rules are more or less the same for everyone. Some fear the opposite, things getting more difficult than now.
Otherwise CLARIN has been complaining for quite a while on these meetings about the state of affairs with eduGAIN, and personally I think some progress has been made. Even though still difficult, dealing with attribute release on a one-to-one level is ok now. A World-wide, EU-wide or even CLARIN-wide approach is a different matter.
Martin
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "André Moreira" <andre at clarin.eu>
> To: "Martin Matthiesen" <martin.matthiesen at csc.fi>
> Cc: "Dieter Van Uytvanck" <dieter at clarin.eu>, "Jozef Mišutka" <misutka at ufal.mff.cuni.cz>, "tf-aai"
> <tf-aai at lists.clarin.eu>, "spf" <spf at clarin.eu>
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 November, 2017 21:01:19
> Subject: Re: [Tf-aai] [eduGAIN-discuss]GÉANTTrust and Identity Meeting
> Hello everybody,
>
> For the CLARIN office representation, I will be attending the Trust and Identity
> Meeting in Amsterdam on both days.
> Please let me know if there are issues you would like me to keep a closer eye on
> or to mention during the meeting.
>
> André
>
>
>
>> On 6 Nov 2017, at 18:39, Martin Matthiesen <martin.matthiesen at csc.fi> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Dieter,
>>
>> I think it would be good if CLARIN would be present. I know that Elixir is
>> continuing to work on a AAI solution that is somewhere between the CLARIN
>> homeless IdP and an attribute aggregator for existing University accounts in
>> case of attribute release problems. I don't know if they are presenting at the
>> meeting, but Mikael Linden asked me once whether CLARIN could use their
>> solution. It turned out the only possible obstacle was the scope:
>> @lifescienceid.org.
>>
>> Any input from other members of the taskforce?
>>
>> Martin
>>
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>> Martin Matthiesen
>> CSC - Tieteen tietotekniikan keskus
>> CSC - IT Center for Science
>> PL 405, 02101 Espoo, Finland
>> +358 9 457 2376, martin.matthiesen at csc.fi
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Dieter Van Uytvanck" <dieter at clarin.eu>
>>> To: "Jozef Mišutka" <misutka at ufal.mff.cuni.cz>, "Martin Matthiesen"
>>> <martin.matthiesen at csc.fi>
>>> Cc: "tf-aai" <tf-aai at lists.clarin.eu>, "spf" <spf at clarin.eu>
>>> Sent: Monday, 6 November, 2017 12:23:45
>>> Subject: Re: [Tf-aai] Fwd: [eduGAIN-discuss]GÉANTTrust and Identity Meeting
>>
>>> Thanks for notifying us. I cannot go on those dates but maybe André
>>> could - will discuss it with him.
>>>
>>> Dieter
>>>
>>> On 06/11/2017 11:10, Jozef Misutka wrote:
>>>> I do not plan to attend either but because it is in Amsterdam maybe
>>>> someone from the CLARIN office could attend.
>>>>
>>>> Few things that caught my interest lately:
>>>> - the new newsletter for SPs from surfconext [1];
>>>> - the heated discussion about the new approaches in inter-federation
>>>> where sharing metadata in a central location of > 2500 entities is
>>>> becoming problematic [2];
>>>> - whether the model of AAI infrastructure hosted by a big player like
>>>> GEANT is a myth or ... But imagine other big infrastructures paying to
>>>> keep theirs (more complex) AAI up and running Elixir/... Some entities
>>>> already get funding for similar tasks e.g., GEANT/eduGAIN so why not
>>>> make them being responsible also for the end products (because we know
>>>> it is very difficult to make a usable one out of it). And lastly, I have
>>>> already mentioned this a few times but imho CLARIN SPF could be used by
>>>> other infrastructures easily.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> https://list.surfnet.nl/pipermail/surfconext-sp-newsletter/20171027/thread.html
>>>> <https://list.surfnet.nl/pipermail/surfconext-sp-newsletter/20171027/thread.html>
>>>> (not very user friend version though)
>>>> [2] starting
>>>> around https://lists.refeds.org/sympa/arc/refeds/2017-11/msg00011.html
>>>> <https://lists.refeds.org/sympa/arc/refeds/2017-11/msg00011.html>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Jozef
>>>>
>>>> On 3 November 2017 at 16:44, Martin Matthiesen <martin.matthiesen at csc.fi
>>>> <mailto:martin.matthiesen at csc.fi>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Taskforce,
>>>>
>>>> It seems this is a meeting at least one of us should attend. There
>>>> is not much time to formulate a common CLARIN opinion on say
>>>> eduGAIN. And at least from my perspective eduGAIN starts slowly
>>>> working. Should we have a meeting on this topic? Is anyone of you
>>>> going? As of yet I do not plan to attend, I have been travelling
>>>> quite a bit lately. But I would like the CLARIN voice be heard there.
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
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>>>> Martin Matthiesen
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>>>> CSC - IT Center for Science
>>>> PL 405, 02101 Espoo, Finland
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>>>> *From: *"Nicole Harris" <nicole.harris at geant.org
>>>> <mailto:nicole.harris at geant.org>>
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>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, 2 November, 2017 12:51:41
>>>> *Subject: *[eduGAIN-discuss]GÉANTTrust and Identity Meeting
>>>>
>>>> Dear All
>>>>
>>>> GÉANT warmly welcomes you to an open Trust and Identity Meeting from
>>>> 7th - 8th December 2017 in Amsterdam. This meeting will bring
>>>> together three events - the final public consultation on the future
>>>> GÉANT Project workplan for trust and identity (2019 and beyond), an
>>>> eduGAIN TownHall and the REFEDS 2018 workplan meeting. This meeting
>>>> is open to anyone with an interest in Trust and Identity, including
>>>> but not limited to GN4 project participants and NRENs, eduGAIN SG
>>>> members, eduroam participants, FIM4R members, REFEDS participants
>>>> and AARC project participants. The GÉANT project workplan will be
>>>> looking in detail at future requirements for eduGAIN, eduroam and
>>>> related T&I developments.
>>>>
>>>> Registration is open at: https://eventr.geant.org/events/2786
>>>> <https://eventr.geant.org/events/2786>.
>>>>
>>>> Please do let us know if you have any questions.
>>>>
>>>> Nicole
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> *GÉANT - Amsterdam office*
>>>>
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