From macw at andrew.cmu.edu Thu Sep 10 15:40:46 2020 From: macw at andrew.cmu.edu (Brian MacWhinney) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 09:40:46 -0400 Subject: [Tf-aai] Information about Korp, AAI, etc In-Reply-To: <1386172608.4524853.1599745027627.JavaMail.zimbra@csc.fi> References: <702370278.4000497.1599663042391.JavaMail.zimbra@csc.fi> <1386172608.4524853.1599745027627.JavaMail.zimbra@csc.fi> Message-ID: Thanks for the pointer to 3.1 documentation. That can help. --Brian > On Sep 10, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Martin Matthiesen wrote: > > Dear AAI Taskforce, > > Brian MacWhinney from CMU (cc) has problems with Shibboleth. I'll add my own suggestions below, but my knowledge is a bit outdated and maybe CSC specific. > Would anyone know pointers for Brian? > >> It would be great if you or Dieter could provide some help with installation of >> Shibboleth. My programmer has found the whole system very badly documented and >> opaque. His point of view is that there should be some standard installation >> that just works. When he shifted to newer versions of Ubuntu, he had to >> upgrade to Shibboleth 3 and then nothing worked anymore and the documentation >> is for Shibboleth 2. > > I assume you are setting up a Service Provider. My experience is onlv with version 2 and not on Ubuntu but CentOS/RedHat. So I would consider CentOS as an alternative. > > I have not tried this guide, but I know Switch is quite advanced with Shibboleth: https://www.switch.ch/aai/guides/sp/installation/ > >> To be honest, we may just decide not to implement it at >> all, because so much of our material is open access, but if there is any real >> CLARIN support for getting it running that could make a difference. > > I can see the temptation, but would argue that it sets you back in the long run. After all speech data is relatively sensitive by nature, or at least quickly can turn sensitive, depending what the subjects say. > > Regards, > Martin From martin.matthiesen at csc.fi Thu Sep 10 15:37:07 2020 From: martin.matthiesen at csc.fi (Martin Matthiesen) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:37:07 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [Tf-aai] Information about Korp, AAI, etc In-Reply-To: References: <702370278.4000497.1599663042391.JavaMail.zimbra@csc.fi> Message-ID: <1386172608.4524853.1599745027627.JavaMail.zimbra@csc.fi> Dear AAI Taskforce, Brian MacWhinney from CMU (cc) has problems with Shibboleth. I'll add my own suggestions below, but my knowledge is a bit outdated and maybe CSC specific. Would anyone know pointers for Brian? > It would be great if you or Dieter could provide some help with installation of > Shibboleth. My programmer has found the whole system very badly documented and > opaque. His point of view is that there should be some standard installation > that just works. When he shifted to newer versions of Ubuntu, he had to > upgrade to Shibboleth 3 and then nothing worked anymore and the documentation > is for Shibboleth 2. I assume you are setting up a Service Provider. My experience is onlv with version 2 and not on Ubuntu but CentOS/RedHat. So I would consider CentOS as an alternative. I have not tried this guide, but I know Switch is quite advanced with Shibboleth: https://www.switch.ch/aai/guides/sp/installation/ > To be honest, we may just decide not to implement it at > all, because so much of our material is open access, but if there is any real > CLARIN support for getting it running that could make a difference. I can see the temptation, but would argue that it sets you back in the long run. After all speech data is relatively sensitive by nature, or at least quickly can turn sensitive, depending what the subjects say. Regards, Martin From misutka at ufal.mff.cuni.cz Thu Sep 10 21:38:17 2020 From: misutka at ufal.mff.cuni.cz (Jozef Misutka) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 21:38:17 +0200 Subject: [Tf-aai] Information about Korp, AAI, etc In-Reply-To: References: <702370278.4000497.1599663042391.JavaMail.zimbra@csc.fi> <1386172608.4524853.1599745027627.JavaMail.zimbra@csc.fi> Message-ID: Dear Brian, we might help you more if you describe the problem in more detail. It is not clear whether the installation failed, or the whole setup, or something else. I think the documentation has improved dramatically from the time we installed it, so you might have stumbled on something older. I would also read: - https://wiki.shibboleth.net/confluence/display/SP3/LinuxInstall - https://documentation.its.umich.edu/node/343 For integration, you can test it with https://samltest.id/. Furthermore, you can contact InCommon, that is your national access and management services. Interestingly, there is a Shibboleth training just in a few days at InCommon - https://www.incommon.org/academy/shibboleth/. But I do not know if it is for IdPs or SPs or both. Best LINDAT/CLARIN https://lindat.cz On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 21:37, Jozef Misutka wrote: > Dear Brian, > > we might help you more if you describe the problem in more detail. It is > not clear whether the installation failed, or the whole setup, or something > else. > > I think the documentation has improved dramatically from the time we > installed it, so you might have stumbled on something older. > > I would also read: > - https://wiki.shibboleth.net/confluence/display/SP3/LinuxInstall > - https://documentation.its.umich.edu/node/343 > > For integration, you can test it with https://samltest.id/. > > Furthermore, you can contact InCommon, that is your national access and > management services. > Interestingly, there is a Shibboleth training just in a few days at > InCommon - https://www.incommon.org/academy/shibboleth/. But I do not > know if it is for IdPs or SPs or both. > > Best > -- > Jozef Misutka > > > On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 15:42, Brian MacWhinney > wrote: > >> Thanks for the pointer to 3.1 documentation. That can help. >> >> --Brian >> >> > On Sep 10, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Martin Matthiesen < >> martin.matthiesen at csc.fi> wrote: >> > >> > Dear AAI Taskforce, >> > >> > Brian MacWhinney from CMU (cc) has problems with Shibboleth. I'll add >> my own suggestions below, but my knowledge is a bit outdated and maybe CSC >> specific. >> > Would anyone know pointers for Brian? >> > >> >> It would be great if you or Dieter could provide some help with >> installation of >> >> Shibboleth. My programmer has found the whole system very badly >> documented and >> >> opaque. His point of view is that there should be some standard >> installation >> >> that just works. When he shifted to newer versions of Ubuntu, he had >> to >> >> upgrade to Shibboleth 3 and then nothing worked anymore and the >> documentation >> >> is for Shibboleth 2. >> > >> > I assume you are setting up a Service Provider. My experience is onlv >> with version 2 and not on Ubuntu but CentOS/RedHat. So I would consider >> CentOS as an alternative. >> > >> > I have not tried this guide, but I know Switch is quite advanced with >> Shibboleth: https://www.switch.ch/aai/guides/sp/installation/ >> > >> >> To be honest, we may just decide not to implement it at >> >> all, because so much of our material is open access, but if there is >> any real >> >> CLARIN support for getting it running that could make a difference. >> > >> > I can see the temptation, but would argue that it sets you back in the >> long run. After all speech data is relatively sensitive by nature, or at >> least quickly can turn sensitive, depending what the subjects say. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Martin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tf-aai mailing list >> Tf-aai at lists.clarin.eu >> https://lists.clarin.eu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tf-aai >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macw at andrew.cmu.edu Thu Sep 10 15:40:46 2020 From: macw at andrew.cmu.edu (Brian MacWhinney) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 09:40:46 -0400 Subject: [Tf-aai] Information about Korp, AAI, etc In-Reply-To: <1386172608.4524853.1599745027627.JavaMail.zimbra@csc.fi> References: <702370278.4000497.1599663042391.JavaMail.zimbra@csc.fi> <1386172608.4524853.1599745027627.JavaMail.zimbra@csc.fi> Message-ID: Thanks for the pointer to 3.1 documentation. That can help. --Brian > On Sep 10, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Martin Matthiesen wrote: > > Dear AAI Taskforce, > > Brian MacWhinney from CMU (cc) has problems with Shibboleth. I'll add my own suggestions below, but my knowledge is a bit outdated and maybe CSC specific. > Would anyone know pointers for Brian? > >> It would be great if you or Dieter could provide some help with installation of >> Shibboleth. My programmer has found the whole system very badly documented and >> opaque. His point of view is that there should be some standard installation >> that just works. When he shifted to newer versions of Ubuntu, he had to >> upgrade to Shibboleth 3 and then nothing worked anymore and the documentation >> is for Shibboleth 2. > > I assume you are setting up a Service Provider. My experience is onlv with version 2 and not on Ubuntu but CentOS/RedHat. So I would consider CentOS as an alternative. > > I have not tried this guide, but I know Switch is quite advanced with Shibboleth: https://www.switch.ch/aai/guides/sp/installation/ > >> To be honest, we may just decide not to implement it at >> all, because so much of our material is open access, but if there is any real >> CLARIN support for getting it running that could make a difference. > > I can see the temptation, but would argue that it sets you back in the long run. After all speech data is relatively sensitive by nature, or at least quickly can turn sensitive, depending what the subjects say. > > Regards, > Martin From martin.matthiesen at csc.fi Thu Sep 10 15:37:07 2020 From: martin.matthiesen at csc.fi (Martin Matthiesen) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:37:07 +0300 (EEST) Subject: [Tf-aai] Information about Korp, AAI, etc In-Reply-To: References: <702370278.4000497.1599663042391.JavaMail.zimbra@csc.fi> Message-ID: <1386172608.4524853.1599745027627.JavaMail.zimbra@csc.fi> Dear AAI Taskforce, Brian MacWhinney from CMU (cc) has problems with Shibboleth. I'll add my own suggestions below, but my knowledge is a bit outdated and maybe CSC specific. Would anyone know pointers for Brian? > It would be great if you or Dieter could provide some help with installation of > Shibboleth. My programmer has found the whole system very badly documented and > opaque. His point of view is that there should be some standard installation > that just works. When he shifted to newer versions of Ubuntu, he had to > upgrade to Shibboleth 3 and then nothing worked anymore and the documentation > is for Shibboleth 2. I assume you are setting up a Service Provider. My experience is onlv with version 2 and not on Ubuntu but CentOS/RedHat. So I would consider CentOS as an alternative. I have not tried this guide, but I know Switch is quite advanced with Shibboleth: https://www.switch.ch/aai/guides/sp/installation/ > To be honest, we may just decide not to implement it at > all, because so much of our material is open access, but if there is any real > CLARIN support for getting it running that could make a difference. I can see the temptation, but would argue that it sets you back in the long run. After all speech data is relatively sensitive by nature, or at least quickly can turn sensitive, depending what the subjects say. Regards, Martin From misutka at ufal.mff.cuni.cz Thu Sep 10 21:38:17 2020 From: misutka at ufal.mff.cuni.cz (Jozef Misutka) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 21:38:17 +0200 Subject: [Tf-aai] Information about Korp, AAI, etc In-Reply-To: References: <702370278.4000497.1599663042391.JavaMail.zimbra@csc.fi> <1386172608.4524853.1599745027627.JavaMail.zimbra@csc.fi> Message-ID: Dear Brian, we might help you more if you describe the problem in more detail. It is not clear whether the installation failed, or the whole setup, or something else. I think the documentation has improved dramatically from the time we installed it, so you might have stumbled on something older. I would also read: - https://wiki.shibboleth.net/confluence/display/SP3/LinuxInstall - https://documentation.its.umich.edu/node/343 For integration, you can test it with https://samltest.id/. Furthermore, you can contact InCommon, that is your national access and management services. Interestingly, there is a Shibboleth training just in a few days at InCommon - https://www.incommon.org/academy/shibboleth/. But I do not know if it is for IdPs or SPs or both. Best LINDAT/CLARIN https://lindat.cz On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 21:37, Jozef Misutka wrote: > Dear Brian, > > we might help you more if you describe the problem in more detail. It is > not clear whether the installation failed, or the whole setup, or something > else. > > I think the documentation has improved dramatically from the time we > installed it, so you might have stumbled on something older. > > I would also read: > - https://wiki.shibboleth.net/confluence/display/SP3/LinuxInstall > - https://documentation.its.umich.edu/node/343 > > For integration, you can test it with https://samltest.id/. > > Furthermore, you can contact InCommon, that is your national access and > management services. > Interestingly, there is a Shibboleth training just in a few days at > InCommon - https://www.incommon.org/academy/shibboleth/. But I do not > know if it is for IdPs or SPs or both. > > Best > -- > Jozef Misutka > > > On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 15:42, Brian MacWhinney > wrote: > >> Thanks for the pointer to 3.1 documentation. That can help. >> >> --Brian >> >> > On Sep 10, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Martin Matthiesen < >> martin.matthiesen at csc.fi> wrote: >> > >> > Dear AAI Taskforce, >> > >> > Brian MacWhinney from CMU (cc) has problems with Shibboleth. I'll add >> my own suggestions below, but my knowledge is a bit outdated and maybe CSC >> specific. >> > Would anyone know pointers for Brian? >> > >> >> It would be great if you or Dieter could provide some help with >> installation of >> >> Shibboleth. My programmer has found the whole system very badly >> documented and >> >> opaque. His point of view is that there should be some standard >> installation >> >> that just works. When he shifted to newer versions of Ubuntu, he had >> to >> >> upgrade to Shibboleth 3 and then nothing worked anymore and the >> documentation >> >> is for Shibboleth 2. >> > >> > I assume you are setting up a Service Provider. My experience is onlv >> with version 2 and not on Ubuntu but CentOS/RedHat. So I would consider >> CentOS as an alternative. >> > >> > I have not tried this guide, but I know Switch is quite advanced with >> Shibboleth: https://www.switch.ch/aai/guides/sp/installation/ >> > >> >> To be honest, we may just decide not to implement it at >> >> all, because so much of our material is open access, but if there is >> any real >> >> CLARIN support for getting it running that could make a difference. >> > >> > I can see the temptation, but would argue that it sets you back in the >> long run. After all speech data is relatively sensitive by nature, or at >> least quickly can turn sensitive, depending what the subjects say. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Martin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tf-aai mailing list >> Tf-aai at lists.clarin.eu >> https://lists.clarin.eu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tf-aai >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: