[Tf-aai] Diffs in Metadata

[Martin Matthiesen]

Hi Sander,

I just had a look at the diffs again, and there just seem too many with my own SPs (I erroneously reported the eduGAIN XML instead of the Haka XML). I see that also other SPs have massive differences in their MD, is this too big to fix?

Anyway this is just to let you all know that I intend to look into this, Metadata consistency and uptodateness will likely grow as a problem in the SPF.

Cheers,
Martin

P.S.: Below your mail on the issue from a year ago.

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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sander Maijers" <sander at clarin.eu>
> To: "Martin" <martin.matthiesen at csc.fi>
> Cc: "Jozef Misutka" <misutka at ufal.mff.cuni.cz>, "Dieter Van Uytvanck" <dieter at clarin.eu>, "Sander Maijers"
> <sander at clarin.eu>, "Kai Zimmer" <zimmer at bbaw.de>, "Mitchell Seaton" <seaton at hum.ku.dk>, "Thomas Kisler"
> <kisler at phonetik.uni-muenchen.de>, "Timm Lehmberg" <timm.lehmberg at uni-hamburg.de>, "Mikael Linden"
> <mikael.linden at csc.fi>, "Daan Broeder" <daan.broeder at mpi.nl>, "Lene Offersgaard" <leneo at hum.ku.dk>, "Paul Meurer"
> <Paul.Meurer at uni.no>, "Pavel Straňák" <stranak at ufal.mff.cuni.cz>, "Oliver Schonefeld" <schonefeld at ids-mannheim.de>
> Sent: Friday, 20 March, 2015 14:45:40
> Subject: Re: Clarin AAI TF VC 19.3.2015 14:00 CET

> Hi fellow AAI aficionados,
> 
> As promised during the VC, here are the results of an automated test of the
> quality/acceptability of the SAML metadata about SPF SPs as (primarily)
> kept at https://svn.clarin.eu/aai/clarin-sp-metadata.xml. The tests are
> described precisely in the attached HTML documentation. A work-in-progress
> documentation on the general context and explanation for these guidelines
> is at https://www.clarin.eu/content/guidelines-saml-metadata-about-your-sp.
> 
> Note that this also completely tests DP-CoCo and REFEDS compliance of the
> SAML metadata, and therefore gives us a good position in our interaction
> with identity federation operators to grant us the latter Entity Category
> (but I suspect we can just add it to our SAML metadata and it wouldn't even
> be filtered out by some identity federations, such as Belnet). Any possibly
> expected 'higher' standards w.r.t. the SAML metadata of the CLARIN SPF that
> Jozef pointed out, as far SPs are concerned at least, are also safeguarded
> by such testing. Another interesting thing would be to produce this kind of
> QA test output in the SAML XSD validity test script in the SVN
> <https://svn.clarin.eu/aai/check-saml-metadata/>, that new SP operators
> normally run, so that quality weaknesses beyond technical validity are
> pointed out to them as well.
> 
> *Could those of you who are responsible for an SP please check and
> improve/change the SAML metadata to pass all tests*? MPI SPs are also not
> fully compliant and now that I have become responsible for them recently,
> I'll fix up that as well. The test was done one production SPs as well
> (different sheet) as preproduction SPs, to help making the latter ready for
> production (e.g., Hamburg).
> 
> I'm preparing for a big update round of the SAML metadata about SPF SPs at
> the identity federations (and register with extra identity federations such
> as ACOnet) and for this to go smoothly and for us to be good for some time
> to come, I'm waiting on you to fix the SAML metadata at
> https://svn.clarin.eu/aai/clarin-sp-metadata.xml.
> 
> For those interested, the source code of the tester will become availble
> soon, once I've assured it runs cross-platform (it's in F#). I welcome your
> comments about errors in or unclarity of the tests.
> 
> Best,
> Sander
> 
> --
> Max Planck Institute for Psycholinguistics <https://tla.mpi.nl/>, software
> developer
> personal Skype: sander.maijers | work address: Wundtlaan 1, 6525 XD,
> Nijmegen (NL)
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Martin Matthiesen <martin.matthiesen at csc.fi
>> wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>>
>> I slightly edited the Agenda for next week and made it public, access is
>> easier that way:
>>
>> https://www.clarin.eu/group-page/aai-tf-vc-meeting-2015-03-19
>>
>> Let's meet in Adobe Connect Pro (ACP) this time:
>>
>> https://connect.funet.fi/kielipankki/
>>
>> Most of you will need to enter as "Guest", a bit ironic for an AAI
>> meeting. If you have never used ACP before, please login before the meeting
>> and pretend to "Share my screen". This will prompt the download of an addin
>> that makes ACP run smoother than the browser only variant. I'll be there
>> 13:45 CET, to help you get started.
>>
>> I am happy to let you know that we have a new member in our group: Timm
>> Lehmberg from HZSK in Hamburg. HZSK is currently working on making their
>> services Clarin compatible.
>> Mikael Linden from CSC will also join us this time, so there will be some
>> insights into the topics 5 and 6.
>>
>> Oliver will unfortunately not be able to join this time.
>>
>> Please find attached the proposal for making eduGAIN a centre requirement
>> (item 3 on the agenda, just 1,5 pages).
>>
>> Have a nice weekend, see you next week!
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>> Martin Matthiesen
>> CSC - Tieteen tietotekniikan keskus
>> CSC - IT Center for Science
>> PL 405, 02101 Espoo, Finland
>> +358 9 457 2376, martin.matthiesen at csc.fi
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Martin" <martin.matthiesen at csc.fi>
>> > To: "Jozef Misutka" <misutka at ufal.mff.cuni.cz>, "Dieter Van Uytvanck" <
>> dieter at clarin.eu>, "Sander Maijers"
>> > <sander at clarin.eu>, "Kai Zimmer" <zimmer at bbaw.de>, "Daan Broeder" <
>> daan.broeder at mpi.nl>, "Mitchell Seaton"
>> > <seaton at hum.ku.dk>, "Thomas Kisler" <kisler at phonetik.uni-muenchen.de>,
>> "Oliver Schonefeld" <schonefeld at ids-mannheim.de>
>> > Cc: "Lene Offersgaard" <leneo at hum.ku.dk>, "Paul Meurer" <
>> Paul.Meurer at uni.no>, "Pavel Straňák" <stranak at ufal.mff.cuni.cz>
>> > Sent: Friday, 27 February, 2015 16:59:15
>> > Subject: Clarin AAI TF VC 19.3.2015 14:00 CET
>>
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I only received 4 responses to my request but can present you already
>> with a
>> > date, since that was the only slot left:
>> >
>> > 19.3.2015 14:00-15:00 CET
>> >
>> > I hope that most who have not responded yet can make it at that time,
>> otherwise
>> > we have to reschedule.
>> >
>> >
>> > Here's a preliminary agenda (requires login):
>> >
>> > https://www.clarin.eu/group-page/aai-tf-vc-meeting-2015-03-19
>> >
>> > I just noticed I have quite a few action points, so I'll be in touch
>> with some
>> > of you beforehand.
>> >
>> > Have a nice weekend!
>> >
>> > Martin
>> >
>> >
>> > Martin Matthiesen
>> > CSC - Tieteen tietotekniikan keskus
>> > CSC - IT Center for Science
>> > PL 405, 02101 Espoo, Finland
>> > +358 9 457 2376, martin.matthiesen at csc.fi
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Jozef Misutka" <misutka at ufal.mff.cuni.cz>
>> >> To: "Martin" <martin.matthiesen at csc.fi>
>> >> Cc: "Dieter Van Uytvanck" <dieter at clarin.eu>, "Sander Maijers"
>> >> <sander at clarin.eu>, "Kai Zimmer" <zimmer at bbaw.de>, "Daan
>> >> Broeder" <daan.broeder at mpi.nl>, "Thomas Kisler"
>> >> <kisler at phonetik.uni-muenchen.de>, "Lene Offersgaard"
>> >> <leneo at hum.ku.dk>, "Oliver Schonefeld" <schonefeld at ids-mannheim.de>,
>> "Paul
>> >> Meurer" <Paul.Meurer at uni.no>, "Mitchell
>> >> Seaton" <seaton at hum.ku.dk>, "Pavel Straňák" <stranak at ufal.mff.cuni.cz>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, 17 February, 2015 19:39:05
>> >> Subject: Re: Clarin AAI TF News and invitation March 2015
>> >
>> >> Dear all,
>> >>
>> >> here is a list of things I suggest to put into the long-term agenda
>> queue:
>> >>
>> >> * survey on what kind of users do service providers in CLARIN
>> >> expect/require;
>> >> * DP-CoC vs entity categories e.g.,
>> >> https://refeds.org/category/research-and-scholarship/ and whether we
>> should
>> >> support them;
>> >> * harmonising interaction with home organisations from other
>> federations by
>> >> adding another project specific layer i.e. one service provider which
>> would
>> >> act as the proxy IdP for all CLARIN SPs. This SP would be in fact a
>> Virtual
>> >> Organisation (see http://perun.cesnet.cz/web/ or REMS). Similar/same
>> >> approach as ELIXIR project is planning to deploy [1,2].
>> >>
>> >> Kind Regards,
>> >> Jozef Misutka
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> [1] Even though I do think that this is at the moment the only
>> reasonable
>> >> *universal* inter federation integration, the benefit is questionable.
>> But
>> >> we could think about this in the SPF context.
>> >> [2]
>> >>
>> https://indico.cern.ch/event/358127/contribution/7/0/material/slides/0.pdf
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 13 February 2015 at 17:44, Martin Matthiesen <
>> martin.matthiesen at csc.fi>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hello all,
>> >>>
>> >>> I think it's time for another task force meeting, please mark times via
>> >>> the link below:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://whenisgood.net/jyfwtmt
>> >>>
>> >>> I haven't manage to provide a formal agenda and I am on holday next
>> week,
>> >>> I'll send an agenda the week after and suggestions are of course
>> welcome.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Here are some news that happened since our last meeting:
>> >>>
>> >>> * The eduGAIN requirement we agreed to draft last meeting (Jozef,
>> Oliver
>> >>> and me) has not progressed a lot. There are doubts whether it makes
>> sense,
>> >>> the good news being that most Clarin SPs are in eduGAIN. I will try to
>> get
>> >>> something together to accept/reject. I think it does make sense to
>> think
>> >>> this through using a concrete proposal that also addresses some of the
>> >>> concerns. More on that when I send the agenda.
>> >>>
>> >>> * eduGAIN is working on defining "academic" IdPs. There is little
>> (read:
>> >>> no) hope to have proper semantics in attributes like
>> eduPersonAffiliation.
>> >>>
>> >>> * Uni Köln has now a Code of Conduct compliant Test-IdP setup. We
>> tested
>> >>> this last week with one of CSC's servers. The local
>> >>> "Datenschutzbeaufragter" (intranslatable...) has already given green
>> light
>> >>> for it to go into production. Now it depends when the local admin
>> finds the
>> >>> time. It would be Germany's first University to support the CoCo, via
>> SPF
>> >>> all Clarin SPs could get attributes, via eduGAIN even more SPs.
>> >>>
>> >>> * Jozef managed to convince Uni Tübingen to release attributes to
>> Lindat.
>> >>> His persistence seemed to have softened them to the CoCo, since they
>> are
>> >>> seriously considering it (again, I should say). I had a good discussion
>> >>> with the local admin and some fruitful email exchanges.
>> >>>
>> >>> * The monitor.edugain.org tool can also process custom feeds to check
>> for
>> >>> CoCo compliance.
>> >>>
>> >>> * I have been invited to give a short talk on the annual Haka-Seminar
>> in
>> >>> Finland 23.3. to motivate IdPs to join eduGAIN and the CoCo for
>> attribute
>> >>> release. For us and the SPF this is not a huge issue at the moment,
>> but I
>> >>> would like to have input from you on that. And it might be relevant for
>> >>> easier metadata exchange in the future.
>> >>>
>> >>> I hope to see you all in March! I'm back at work 23.2.
>> >>>
>> >>> Greetings from Finland,
>> >>>
>> >>> Martin
>> >>>