[Standards] Fwd: Standards in the view of LINDAT/CLARIN (CZ)

[Andreas Witt]

Dear members of the CSC,

Please find attached the minutes of our Vienna meeting. I'd like to 
thank Axel Herold very much for writing the minutes.

Last week I talked with Jan Hajic in Riga. Together with him, I'll draft 
a slightly modified version of our position statement that addresses his 
and Pavel's concerns but also reflects the outcome of our meeting. Of 
course, we'll discuss the potential modifications on this list.

Kind regards,
Andreas




Am 22.04.2015 um 08:56 schrieb Dieter Van Uytvanck:
> Dear standards committee,
>
> as agreed in Vienna we have distributed the position paper to all the
> centres and the centre committee. There were 2 reactions:
>
> - one from Brian McWhinney (Talkbank/CMU):
>
> We have no Centre Committee representative for CMU/TalkBank, but I think
> that the recommendations of the standards committee make entirely good
> sense.  However, it is very helpful to have the incorporation of
> standards be accompanied by the provision of tested tools for
> implementing and using those standards.  Conversion of CMDI data to
> OAI-PHP format for harvesting would be an example.
>
> - one from the Lindat colleagues (see forward below, will be included in
> the minutes of yesterday's meeting at
> http://www.clarin.eu/content/centre-committee)
>
> best regards,
> Dieter
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Standards in the view of LINDAT/CLARIN (CZ)
> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 19:07:27 +0200 (CEST)
> From: Jan Hajic <hajic at ufal.mff.cuni.cz>
> To: Dieter Van Uytvanck <dieter.vanuytvanck at mpi.nl>, Lene Offersgaard
> <leneo at hum.ku.dk>
> CC: Pavel Stranak <stranak at ufal.mff.cuni.cz>, Eva Hajicova
> <hajicova at ufal.mff.cuni.cz>
>
> Dear Dieter, Lene,
>
> as agreed on today's call, I am forwarding our common view on the
> standardization effort.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Best,
>
> -- Jan
>
> Position on the Standards recommendation
>
> We find we can agree with most of the Position Paper and indeed, some
> action is needed. We however disagree that the action needed is for
> "CLARIN BoD to ensure the use of these recommended standards in the
> national consortia." BoD enforcing compliance of the national consortia
> who will in turn enforce compliance of users / researchers is not the
> course of action we want to support. Above all because experience shows
> us that most of the successful standards in our field come from the
> bottom-up initiatives and cannot be predicted and planned. We have all
> seen many top-down standardisation attempts with lots of effort and
> expenses, often ISO standardisation, and in the end almost no traction.
> ISOCat is just one of many, we could probably all name many more.
>
> So we believe that Clarin should remain benevolent in leaving it up to
> discretion of authors and requests of user community ( = professional
> researchers) what formats are used for producing, archiving and using
> resources. What Clarin can do and what we would wholeheartedly support
> is encouragement and propagation of the standards we like: Write Q&As
> for novice researchers on how to record and store data, how to annotate,
> etc. Argue, why it is good to use this format or that and what
> methodology. Suggest good and reliable libraries. But ultimately leave
> the choice to the – now well informed – researchers. They are
> professionals too and we should respect their choices about their data.
>
> In summary, we argue for the action to be producing howtos, tutorials
> and other materials in support of what we believe being good standards,
> and publishing and spreading these. But let us also respect that we
> cannot and should not attempt "to ensure the use of these recommended
> standards".
>
> For LINDAT/CLARIN:
>
> Jan Hajic
> Pavel Stranak
>
>
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